Sue Rudd, Director, Service Provider Analytics, Strategy Analytics, Juniper Networks

Big 5G Event: Cut through the commotion of network slicing

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A screenshot of a conference video showing Juniper’s Sue Rudd and guests Troy Saulnier, Network Strategy, Juniper Networks; Bell Anand Shah, Director, Technology Strategy and Architecture, Verizon; Constantine Polychronopoulos, Vice President of 5G and Telco Cloud, Juniper Networks; Ray Dolan, Chairman and CEO, Cohere Technologies; Franco Messori, Chief Product Strategy and Transformation Officer, Infovista..

Big 5G Event: Will network slicing really generate revenue for 5G?

Tune into this panel discussion featuring industry leaders as they discuss the future of network slicing and 5G. What is the true promise of network slicing? Will it be manageable, cost effective, and dynamic within the next few years? How much complexity does Open RAN add to the network slicing riddle? Hear what the experts have to say.

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You’ll learn

  • How operators are laying the foundations for network slicing in the future

  • When we can realistically expect network slicing at scale

  • Insights as to whether enterprises will prefer private networks over network slicing 

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Sue Rudd Headshot
Sue Rudd
Director, Service Provider Analytics, Strategy Analytics, Juniper

Guest speakers

Constantine Polychronopoulos Headshot
Constantine Polychronopoulos
Vice President of 5G and Telco Cloud, Juniper Networks
Bell Anand Shah Headshot
Bell Anand Shah
Director, Technology Strategy and Architecture, Verizon
Troy Saulnier Headshot
Troy Saulnier
Network Strategy, Juniper Networks
Ray Dolan Headshot
Ray Dolan
Chairman and CEO, Cohere Technologies
Franco Messori Headshot
Franco Messori
Chief Product Strategy and Transformation Officer, Infovista


00:00 good day everyone uh welcome to the

00:02 panel at the big 5g conference on the

00:05 commotion

00:06 and cutting through the commotion of

00:08 network slicing and we have five great

00:11 speakers today

00:12 uh but before we get started i'd just

00:14 like to put a little bit of comment on

00:16 the state of network slicing

00:19 network slicing as many of you know was

00:21 long touted as the

00:23 large-scale revenue generator for 5g

00:26 and in many cases viewed as the anchor

00:29 business case

00:31 as we all know it's been a little slow

00:33 to develop

00:34 but i think we're all optimistic that

00:36 with 5gsa and with some extra things

00:38 we're going to be talking about today

00:41 slicing is finally going to be

00:42 manageable cost effective and maybe in

00:45 the next couple of years become dynamic

00:47 so that it's actually cheaper to use 5g

00:50 for a private virtual vpn rather than

00:54 even sd-wan

00:55 so

00:56 let me introduce our speakers and ask

00:58 them to say a little bit about

01:00 themselves

01:01 let's start with anand shah

01:04 hey sue thanks a lot my name is anan

01:06 shah i work for verizon i'm a director

01:08 of technology and product management

01:10 there and as most jobs entail in the

01:12 telco world a lot of 5g under my belt

01:15 but also we concentrate heavily on

01:17 private networks and network slicing

01:22 great

01:23 i'm ray doland

01:25 thanks sue my name is ray dolan i am the

01:27 ceo at cohere technologies

01:30 um cohere has developed a suite of

01:33 x-apps that allows the intelligence that

01:35 currently lives in base stations to be

01:38 left there or moved to the edge data

01:40 center uh a lot of that bears on what

01:43 openran is looking for

01:45 and it directly relates to being an

01:48 enabling technology for network slicing

01:50 so we're looking forward to the

01:51 discussion

01:52 cool uh constantine

01:57 oh thank you sue i'm constantine

01:59 polygonopolis i'm vice president of 5g

02:01 and telco cloud at juniper networks

02:04 and i'm focusing i'm responsible for 5g

02:07 products and solutions we're focusing at

02:09 jury pair particularly on the oren

02:11 architecture

02:13 the rig x-apps are apps

02:15 and the end-to-end smo that stitches

02:17 everything together to deliver the

02:19 promise of network slicing

02:22 great

02:22 franco

02:24 hey it's franco and franco missouri from

02:26 infovista i'm the chief product and

02:29 strategic officer for the company

02:32 improvista is a is a leader company in

02:35 what we call the network life cycle

02:37 automation that means driving from

02:41 the planning to the testing through

02:42 deployment

02:44 everything about the 5g life including

02:47 the network

02:48 license thank you and troy

02:52 hi troy sonya here from bell canada i

02:54 have the pleasure of supporting a team

02:56 that does our strategy for what we call

02:58 our smart core which is the intelligence

03:01 that helps us

03:02 manage and uh and uh monetize

03:05 our best-in-class fiber and 5g networks

03:09 and i'm really looking forward to our

03:11 dialogue today around network slicing

03:13 great

03:14 so let's start off with our first topic

03:17 and i'm going to ask annan to lead it

03:19 off so and how are the operators setting

03:22 up the foundation for really making

03:24 network slicing a big part of revenue

03:26 generation in the future

03:28 absolutely and again i'm super excited

03:30 to be here and happy to talk about

03:32 network slicing it's as it's become a

03:35 serious buzzword in the telecom world

03:37 but hopefully we can dissect the issues

03:39 and provide you with the insights you

03:41 need today um so just some background

03:44 sue i mean the the main thing here is

03:46 that we have built a network especially

03:49 verizon and other mmos across the world

03:52 that feeds 150 million customers uh

03:56 today and it's a

03:58 it's a one single network it's a best

04:00 effort network

04:02 and we're slowly decomposing the network

04:05 to see if we can build 150 million

04:08 networks for each user that's out there

04:12 now of course this flexibility comes

04:14 with price and it's going to be hard to

04:17 properly manage the flexibility won't be

04:19 there so it's going to be of essence to

04:21 have the right management tools in place

04:24 to to have a network

04:26 slicing or to have network slicing in a

04:28 network this big

04:30 so

04:31 as uh as a company right now you know we

04:34 started in the 4g days and in the 4g

04:36 days we went through the same thing when

04:39 we had apns we were thinking of

04:41 20 30 40 50 apns and and where each apn

04:46 will lead to in the network and we were

04:48 so excited about it and at the end we

04:50 found out that hey maybe five 10 apns

04:53 are good enough the same thing can

04:55 happen today

04:56 in network slicing we're looking at

04:58 three big slices right now as you know

05:00 embb which has high throughputs high

05:02 mobility

05:04 we have mission critical as well which

05:06 is maybe low data

05:08 uh no mobility and then you are llc

05:11 which is extremely high latency or low

05:14 latency that you need for mission

05:15 critical applications as well and low

05:17 latency applications

05:19 and then um we can keep expanding from

05:22 that so i think what's very important in

05:25 network slicing if i want to name two

05:27 things are truly understanding the um

05:31 the customer needs that

05:33 digital technologies are means to an end

05:36 not an end themselves okay so when we

05:40 talk about that it's truly understanding

05:42 the throughputs from a

05:44 downlink throughput and uplink

05:46 throughput the jitter that's required

05:48 the latency that's required and maybe

05:51 putting them into categories that equate

05:53 to slices right so

05:56 first we need to understand what the

05:57 customer wants rather than getting into

06:00 the tech hype and the second thing is

06:02 ensuring that the right knobs are in

06:04 place for an mno the right knobs means

06:07 from the device to the ram to the

06:09 transport to the core there are so many

06:12 elements with so many different vendors

06:14 that are involved

06:16 having the right pieces and the right

06:18 knobs in place so we could actually

06:20 create a slice

06:21 and sustain that slice throughout the

06:24 life cycle

06:26 is going to be very important for the

06:27 mnos sue

06:30 excellent point

06:31 troy do you see things the same way or

06:34 does bell canada have a slightly

06:35 different take

06:37 now i'd have to say we're fairly aligned

06:40 um

06:41 you know some of the things that we need

06:43 to really consider is the fact that

06:45 slicing itself is still in its early

06:48 days of course uh we've got different

06:51 levels of maturity depending on the

06:52 vendor or partner that's bringing the

06:54 equipment and the software to the

06:56 network and the early days of course are

06:58 going to be entirely

07:00 manual driven so as we start to deploy

07:03 slicing some of the foundational

07:05 elements that we need to get out there

07:06 are okay obviously if we when we launch

07:08 our 5 gsa core there'll be at least one

07:10 slice you need one for embb and and

07:13 there may be a few others but the true

07:16 promise and i really liked anne's uh

07:19 comment around understanding customer

07:21 need because there are customers who

07:23 have requirements around

07:24 uh uh you know a lot of devices low

07:28 bandwidth

07:29 and so that you know kind of uh speaks

07:31 to the mmtc slice that will be coming

07:33 right as as it gets ratified into hpp

07:35 and gets released with our vendors and

07:37 then there are others who have high

07:39 bandwidth requirements so those three

07:41 natural big slice types are great

07:43 but then inside those the sub slices are

07:46 what becomes really interesting

07:48 and

07:49 there are a lot of customers that beyond

07:51 the specific performance requirements

07:54 for a given slice are also looking at

07:56 slicing as a privacy play as another way

07:59 and you mentioned it early on sue as

08:01 another mechanism beyond sd-wan to uh to

08:04 look at replacing the old mpls kind of

08:07 network right so uh so lots of uh work

08:11 is going on to understand in parallel to

08:13 the work that we're doing to build all

08:16 of the orchestration and automation

08:18 which we'll talk about a little bit

08:19 later um but in parallel we need to

08:22 really understand the customer need and

08:24 what use cases are going to leverage

08:26 that foundational capability of slicing

08:29 now let me ask you troy do we have to

08:32 wait for 5g or are there some things we

08:33 can do on slicing with lte before we get

08:37 to 5g and do with release 15.

08:41 that's always the the hard question

08:42 because of course the value prop that

08:44 you're trying to generate in the

08:45 marketplace around 5g

08:47 also carries weight and although you may

08:49 be able to do what i would call slice

08:52 like capability you notice my air quotes

08:54 slice-like capability either in 5-g nsa

08:57 or even lte i think the use cases are

08:59 going to be very particular where you

09:01 want to do that and as as operators

09:05 i know typically there's a huge

09:07 competition to you know sell the best

09:10 network and there's a lot of effort that

09:12 goes into ensuring that we win the best

09:14 network claims i know that in canada we

09:17 do that in verizon that's their value

09:18 prop uh south of the border and so when

09:21 you think about that whether it's 4g or

09:23 5g

09:24 selling better than best is really

09:26 challenging

09:28 yeah

09:29 yeah and then do you have any

09:32 extra comments on whether we can do

09:33 something today with lte or whether we

09:35 can even do something today with 5g

09:38 again

09:39 like troy said it's a big debate right

09:41 you have apns you have qos's you have

09:44 qcis is there a combination between

09:46 those two that can get close to slicing

09:49 but remember slicing is much more than

09:51 that slicing is guaranteeing the sla

09:54 slicing is having the orchestration

09:57 to determine whether that kpi or that

10:00 sla is being delivered and if it's not

10:02 spinning up the right resources in the

10:04 right compute to make sure that slice is

10:06 there which is maybe not always there

10:09 for qcis or for apn so slicing takes it

10:13 one step above but we can get maybe 75

10:15 percent there with what we have today

10:18 so franco uh you're coming at it from

10:20 the vendor who actually tries to deliver

10:22 some of that service assurance uh how do

10:25 you see that

10:26 oh he had this great question so i think

10:28 that i'm really following what uh troy

10:30 and anand are saying and i hundred

10:32 percent agree with them in my opinion

10:34 there are five steps that we have to do

10:37 to reach the real net lies in terms of

10:40 automation right now because we have a

10:43 nyberg situation with 4g 5g combined

10:46 together fundamentally i really believe

10:48 that what the operator have to do is

10:50 exactly what anand and tori said just

10:53 select three four major slides

10:55 and fit the current traffic there the

10:58 second level is fundamental automation

11:01 without automation without orchestration

11:03 we cannot reason the next step next step

11:06 is the automation from the service point

11:08 to in the network point of view looking

11:10 the service provider at reality there is

11:13 another automation linked to this that

11:15 is from the user controller the

11:16 capability of the user to select

11:19 automatically what they need what they

11:21 want and from the maybe that is the

11:23 first step the fourth step fundamentally

11:26 has to be in an in a complete

11:28 homogeneous type of network so hybrid

11:31 has to disappear because otherwise you

11:33 cannot really expand everything and the

11:35 fifth step to the mentor is a full

11:38 uh

11:39 artificial intelligence driven type of

11:41 network that fundamentally it's probably

11:44 six seven year the uh far from from now

11:48 but

11:49 the census insurance story has been

11:50 always one of the major discussions sla

11:53 is nothing new it's uh it's on the

11:55 tables in 30 years for different

11:57 productivity but these uh the

11:59 netherlands is bringing a new challenge

12:01 that was not part of the of the past

12:04 fundamentally has to be has to be

12:06 something that changed

12:08 dynamically following the dynamicity of

12:11 the network dynamics of the service

12:13 before sla was a static site the

12:16 customer signed an agreement with the

12:18 with the with the service provider that

12:20 the agreement has specific performance

12:22 figure quality figure and you have to

12:25 verify that these the figure are true

12:27 and are applied and that control is

12:29 delivered but here this figure can

12:32 change and can change the penny by the

12:33 day and the hour and the situation the

12:36 mobility speed and there are a lot of

12:38 parameter so the sla

12:41 insurance system has to really become

12:44 part of the network itself before it was

12:46 a a parallel tools that you can never

12:49 you cannot have but fundamentally was a

12:52 separate element in the new vision of

12:54 the real 5gsa network that's sva network

12:58 with real orchestration this insurance

13:01 has to be built in

13:03 as one of the components of the network

13:05 and this to be a sort of first-career

13:08 for everybody for the customer for the

13:10 operator also because operator will uh

13:14 fundamentally use and leverage other

13:16 type of network think about the public

13:18 network combined with the private

13:19 network so at this point you need to

13:21 have something that really take a look

13:24 to the sla in a much more holistic way

13:26 and provide the vision that really fit

13:29 in each of the expectations that the

13:31 different

13:32 participants will have

13:36 so it's getting much more complex but it

13:38 needs to still be end to end and one of

13:40 the other factors that's really changing

13:42 how we look at end to end slicing is the

13:46 new capabilities for including the ran

13:48 as part of the slice and monitoring the

13:50 rent

13:51 so ray maybe you would like to comment

13:53 on how does the complexity that openran

13:56 is bringing to network slicing but also

13:58 the opportunity

14:00 yeah thanks sue and um i appreciate the

14:03 comments from everybody up until now i i

14:05 would say if i could just chime in on

14:06 that question you asked can you do this

14:08 on lte the answer is yes and we'll we'll

14:11 show that very soon we actually have

14:12 already um

14:14 whether the operators want to market it

14:15 as a 5g capability or not it's the same

14:18 radio so why can't you do the same thing

14:20 guys it's an ofdm waveform um

14:22 now having said that uh for openran uh

14:25 it's i actually think openran removes

14:28 the complexity if you do it right as

14:30 opposed to adds complexity

14:32 the vision of opening iran

14:34 in many people's minds is an economic

14:37 issue of trying to disaggregate the

14:39 supply chain it's not an economic issue

14:41 it's an innovation and architectural

14:43 issue all right so

14:45 uh you'll get some better economics too

14:47 you'll get cloud economics if you do it

14:49 right but the primary thing that we've

14:51 discovered is that you can move the

14:53 intelligence to wherever you want now

14:56 think about when you do network slicing

14:57 you're trying to match up what a user

14:59 wants

15:00 including what that user is doing right

15:02 now

15:03 and what they've committed to

15:04 contractually with the ability to

15:06 enforce that across a network and if the

15:08 user plane functions in the core and the

15:10 enforcement and resource allocation

15:11 mechanisms are at the edge it's a very

15:13 complicated thing to do

15:15 if you move the intelligence and all the

15:17 resource allocation into x-apps and you

15:20 put it on a rick closer to the core you

15:22 literally have a natural marriage of the

15:24 slicing elements which is what the user

15:26 wants to do with the ability to enforce

15:28 it across a network

15:29 so what we were able to do a cohere

15:31 using delay doppler

15:33 is to take the resource allocation

15:35 functions we announced this with

15:36 vodafone recently actually vodafone

15:38 announced it we did it in partnership

15:40 with intel and vmware and they also what

15:42 they really didn't focus on slicing they

15:44 focused on spectral efficiency because

15:47 they doubled the spectral efficiency of

15:48 their network which by the way is a

15:50 pretty big thing for most operators

15:52 but what you'll see us announcing in the

15:54 next set of trials that we do is all

15:56 about network slicing because i actually

15:58 think that as big a deal as it is to

16:00 double or quadruple the network capacity

16:03 slicing is the ultimate monetization

16:05 engine it's if you can take a portion of

16:07 your network and on a per bid basis sell

16:09 it for 10x because of the productivity

16:12 benefits and the guarantees that you can

16:14 associate with it that's where

16:16 the real business models come out so

16:18 i actually think openran

16:20 is the answer to the complexity sue it

16:23 doesn't add to it

16:24 but it does add to it if you leave all

16:27 of that compute see there's a certain

16:29 set of cloud economics which says bring

16:31 everything to the core

16:33 but unfortunately in wireless people are

16:34 bringing everything to the edge because

16:36 there's this notion

16:38 that

16:39 the edge is so complicated you need to

16:40 bring the cloud to the base station

16:43 you actually can bring the base station

16:45 to the cloud and that's that's actually

16:46 what we're doing and i'm very excited

16:49 that we're now in partnership with two

16:50 other operators in the u.s one in

16:52 australia and one in in europe doing

16:55 some trials we should be able to show

16:57 this within 12 months possibly within

16:59 even six months

17:00 that's really cool but i would say the

17:02 edge is wherever it needs to be

17:04 hopefully efficiently and dynamically um

17:07 constantine um you juniper's getting

17:10 into this business um

17:12 uh from the from the rick point of view

17:14 and adding intelligence uh do you see uh

17:18 the opportunity the same way or is there

17:20 a lot of complexity to be handled to

17:22 make it work

17:24 thank you sue uh no i see i think uh

17:27 ray said it said it very well

17:30 um it's really a paradigm shift right uh

17:33 i i i think the better question is uh to

17:36 look at um you know what are the new

17:38 opportunities that oren brings to the

17:40 picture right uh the analogy i like to

17:43 uh to use is like asking whether the

17:45 electric motor adds more complexity to

17:48 the av

17:49 right it's a paradigm shift it's a

17:50 different thing and

17:52 oren i agree with ray oran takes away

17:55 complexity shifts the complexity out of

17:58 the infrastructure

18:00 and we have a truly intelligent software

18:02 driven now radio infrastructure right

18:05 can you imagine

18:07 how simple how powerful it is to be able

18:09 to upgrade the capabilities the features

18:11 of the radio

18:13 through a few key strokes as opposed to

18:15 you know uh uplifting entire uh you know

18:19 uh

18:20 boxes and uh

18:21 and bbqs and and uh radio units etc so

18:25 it's a very powerful um

18:28 model new model

18:30 and i think eventually it will take

18:33 some time for us to get it right

18:36 but then it will bring huge improvements

18:39 in tco for operators but most

18:42 importantly new capabilities that you'll

18:44 be able to uh to deliver to the

18:46 customers to the end customer right that

18:48 is not possible today the other thing

18:50 that i want to bring uh to the attention

18:52 here regarding complexity is that we

18:54 keep thinking about aura only

18:57 that's one big part there are three what

18:59 i call three

19:00 major semantic domains in the 5g

19:03 uh the run

19:05 the transport

19:06 and the core and you have many

19:09 incarnations of this right even within

19:11 the run you have transport you have the

19:12 mid hall you have

19:15 several islands of transport

19:17 you may have the functions of the core

19:20 distributed across different clouds etc

19:22 so how do you stitch all of that

19:23 together to deliver them to an sla

19:27 that goes back to what anand was saying

19:30 the importance of the of the

19:32 orchestration automation visibility

19:35 and uh dynamic control right

19:38 so uh as part of of

19:41 delivering that capability we have to

19:42 start thinking about the concept of

19:45 multiplexing right you've got one

19:47 physical infrastructure that needs to

19:48 have the ability to

19:51 other scale onto virtual resources and

19:54 on top of that we need to have to figure

19:55 out exactly how we manage

19:58 the concept of multiplexing

20:00 multiple disparate use cases onto the

20:02 same physical infrastructure to deliver

20:05 them to an sla

20:11 you're muted sue thank you i'm sorry

20:14 thank you um that's very interesting um

20:17 in the interest of time i think we have

20:19 to push on to the next topic but i think

20:21 it's related and that how does this all

20:23 fit into the private networking world so

20:26 maybe you can take that thought you were

20:28 just giving constantine and look at how

20:30 that means what the enterprise is going

20:32 to do with this kind of slicing

20:34 capability

20:36 uh that's the 1 billion or 1 trillion

20:39 dollar question right how the private

20:42 5g and the public clouds the public

20:47 5g networks are going to come together

20:48 right and who is going to do what

20:50 i believe that

20:53 we're going to see uh three buckets in

20:55 the industry one is the standalone

20:58 private

21:00 5g and 4g for that matter cbrs in the

21:03 u.s is really taking off

21:05 uh we're going to see the so-called

21:07 neutral neutral cost which is a you know

21:10 mix of private with in combination with

21:13 public

21:14 5g and then the big question is how

21:18 successful operators are going to be to

21:20 deliver the end-to-end network slicing

21:22 as a service

21:24 whereby an enterprise can really get

21:26 into a portal

21:27 set up their own use case their own

21:29 network

21:31 dimension it for a number of users maybe

21:34 have different slices multiple slices

21:37 and deliver all of that value through

21:39 the operator i think

21:40 that would be if the operators managed

21:42 to unlock that that would be a huge new

21:45 revenue stream for operators right and

21:48 that's probably the more uh challenging

21:50 use case to to realize

21:52 uh but if we you know if we look at the

21:55 industry the private enterprise

21:58 we cannot really fit them into one model

22:00 there are many verticals that have

22:02 different requirements and some of them

22:05 are aligned more with a private

22:07 standalone use case some of them

22:10 will have to rely on the operator to uh

22:12 to provide you know the capability of

22:14 network slicing and the private network

22:17 as as a as an operator-led

22:20 uh service

22:23 so

22:24 you know i don't think we can we can fit

22:26 everything into one model

22:27 but um

22:30 you know most likely the standalone is

22:32 going to um

22:34 rear its end first and then we're going

22:36 to see operators really unlock the um

22:40 you know the complexity of offering

22:42 end-to-end network slicing standalone uh

22:45 private 5g through network slicing which

22:47 i think is the most interesting the most

22:49 challenging use case but the most

22:51 powerful one

22:52 so and i saw you nodding um

22:55 is that how verizon is going to launch

22:57 it or do you see 5g

22:59 private networking being sort of islands

23:01 or do you see a hybrid multi-domain

23:04 public-private network

23:06 so

23:07 both um the way i see it is that if you

23:09 look all the way on the left right you

23:11 have us a purpose-built public network

23:14 that is best effort as you move to the

23:17 right um you might get uh uh some

23:20 network slicing capabilities here on the

23:23 public network as you move further to

23:25 the right to get more ownership of those

23:27 resources you may have a private network

23:30 in a sense as a network slice from the

23:32 public network right

23:34 there might be a private core that's a

23:35 hosted private core that could be

23:37 delivered as a network slice to your

23:40 on-premise solution and then if you go

23:42 all the way to the right we're talking

23:44 about an on-site private network and

23:46 where you have

23:47 all the rand resources all the core

23:50 resources transport resources dedicated

23:53 to your enterprise whether it's a

23:55 walmart a coke whatever it is all those

23:57 resources dedicated to you now the cool

24:00 thing about the private network is that

24:02 it'll be a handful of vendors it'll be a

24:05 handful of platforms not as complex and

24:08 not as much of a variable as we have in

24:11 the public network so what you'll see is

24:14 you'll see 5g standalone come out much

24:17 earlier on private networks you'll see

24:20 network slicing coming out much earlier

24:22 on private networks and public networks

24:24 just because it's easier to deliver a

24:27 static slice on

24:28 a box that is delivered by let's say one

24:31 vendor that's out there right so you'll

24:33 see those economics come

24:36 to fruition because

24:37 it's a

24:39 it's a now it's purpose-built for the

24:41 enterprise you could do a lot of

24:43 experimentation on that private box

24:45 itself so you'll see network slicing

24:47 standalone all those new features come

24:49 out on private networks quicker

24:52 cool

24:54 so

24:54 let's turn to how do i actually operate

24:57 and monitor these kind of networks

24:59 because we've said it can be simpler but

25:02 that's by hiding the complexity because

25:04 there are more choices and more dynamics

25:07 so uh let me ask franco

25:10 from info vista's perspective how can

25:12 operators really monitor manage and

25:15 deliver those capabilities with a an

25:17 easy-to-use user interface to both

25:19 private networks and their own network

25:22 operations center

25:24 yeah thanks to this great question

25:26 remember that they regard the complexity

25:28 the step the logical step

25:31 to ensure that the private network works

25:33 uh like uh the owner is expecting are

25:36 always the same from the planning time

25:39 when you plan the network that's going

25:41 to be a dedicated network and hybrid the

25:44 network as a network as a service from

25:46 an operator from the planning time to

25:49 the time in which you define the

25:51 services that you want to have over the

25:53 network to the time in which you ensure

25:57 that everything is there and when the

25:59 step are always the same and the type of

26:01 tools fundamentally and approach is

26:03 exactly the same of course the scale is

26:05 different skill is different

26:07 and that will make the difference and i

26:10 agree with that and then that is much

26:12 more simple than today because the scope

26:14 and the powerful number is easier subset

26:17 of the scope of the problem that you

26:18 have in a public network of course

26:20 because because you have a variety of

26:22 type of customer instead when you talk

26:23 about the enterprise the the the set of

26:26 customer or profiles there is a it's a

26:30 definitely less but fundamentally the

26:33 product we have is always the same the

26:35 planning it's linked to test and defined

26:38 sla that you can have within the private

26:40 republic network doesn't matter of

26:42 course it's just a subset of this

26:44 then

26:45 they provide everything about the

26:47 performances the inventory and the

26:49 planning and fundamental insurance of

26:51 different services and the fourth one is

26:54 become predictive in terms of uh

26:57 diagnostic root cause analysis

26:58 troubleshooting these are the four major

27:00 steps toward achieve the final target

27:03 that is optimization and then is a it's

27:06 a complete circle it's a loop that

27:08 different than the past has to run

27:10 continuously it's not just something

27:12 that you do today and then you do one

27:14 year from now

27:16 the optimization the planning the

27:18 insurance is something that you'd have

27:19 to do 24x7 and of course in the private

27:22 network that is less critical

27:25 than fundamentally in the public network

27:27 where as i said the type of profile of

27:29 the customer has so many so various that

27:32 the network has to adapt in a much more

27:36 dynamic way than the product but

27:38 definitely i really believe and we

27:40 really believe that private network will

27:42 be probably one of the major

27:44 marketing business for the next 10 years

27:47 so ray let me ask you um as you try to

27:50 link your new technology into all of

27:52 these automation and operations tools is

27:54 that something that 5g makes it easier

27:57 to integrate than it's been in the past

28:00 absolutely sue and i i think the

28:02 comments that have been made here are

28:04 just spot-on uh private network

28:06 opportunity is massive

28:08 uh i i think from franco's point of view

28:10 agree anan said it's going to come first

28:13 initially it's going to become it's

28:15 going to come first because it appears

28:16 easier but then there'll be a question

28:19 in this continuum that anon described

28:21 where its best efforts public wide area

28:24 highly

28:25 you know individualized but localized in

28:28 an enterprise those are two different

28:30 supply chains

28:32 question now for the industry is are the

28:35 wide area cellular guys going to become

28:36 enterprise savvy

28:39 or are the enterprise guys going to

28:40 become part of the supply chain for the

28:42 traditional cellular guys i will tell

28:44 you that i'm heavily biased towards the

28:46 latter

28:48 this is the time of massive disruption

28:50 the enterprise guys intuitively know and

28:53 the cloud guys intuitively know

28:55 communication scale and i t

28:58 the question is can they crack the last

29:00 black box which is the radio access

29:02 network and that's what cohere is

29:04 helping them do

29:06 i i call this the pc revolution for

29:08 radio when you can put your own

29:10 components together and make it make a

29:12 good solution

29:14 but you may still need a little tuning

29:16 to make it uh optimal uh so uh we're

29:19 we're getting close to the end of our

29:21 session but we have one major topic

29:23 which i'm going to ask everyone to

29:24 comment on but have troy kick off so

29:27 when can we really expect all of this to

29:30 come together

29:31 what's a realistic time frame

29:34 so as we said thanks very much sue and i

29:37 have to say that the comments in general

29:38 have been really really good

29:40 um

29:41 what i would say is we talked at the

29:44 outset of laying the foundation and

29:46 that's kind of the stage that we're at

29:47 now there's changes uh that have been

29:50 mentioned in terms of the radioaccess

29:52 network and adding intelligence there

29:53 ultimately slicing is is not just about

29:55 the ram though as we've mentioned it's

29:57 it's really you know ue ran transport

30:00 various types of transport out into the

30:02 core and some even think about slicing

30:05 including the apps that sit on the cloud

30:07 at the edge of the network right and for

30:09 the experience for the end customer

30:11 whether it be consumer or whether it be

30:13 enterprise to truly be assured

30:16 you need to have some visibility across

30:18 all those elements and that to me is

30:20 what slicing is really bringing to the

30:22 table that's new we've been doing

30:24 prioritization in qs on both wireline

30:26 and wireline networks for you know

30:28 dozens of years right but what's

30:30 different here is we're looking at the

30:32 resources in real time and saying can i

30:35 assure this new slice that's being

30:37 requested and following the life cycle

30:39 of that slice so that's why we're saying

30:42 starting out of the gate it's going to

30:43 be a very low number of slices it's

30:45 going to be manual while we learn about

30:46 it learning about the interaction the

30:48 dependencies between those high level

30:50 resources that we need to manage and

30:52 also we'll start plugging in our big

30:55 data machine learning capability so that

30:58 we can actually understand the patterns

31:00 that happen in the network and start to

31:02 build algorithms for closed loop

31:04 capability and so that kind of ai

31:08 leading into orchestration and

31:10 automation

31:11 i see as as really starting to

31:14 hit mainstream probably

31:17 very late next year and early in 2023 uh

31:21 in terms of operators being able to

31:23 start to offer more automation in their

31:26 5g slicing services and you know i see

31:29 that you know initially it will be

31:32 putting on new slice types more easily

31:34 being able to manage the network more

31:35 easily being able to hit the demands

31:37 that our customers are going to have and

31:39 and new

31:41 uh services and mapping those service

31:43 requirements to the slice

31:45 performances that are going to be given

31:47 that is key and that i think there's not

31:49 enough effort uh being talked about and

31:52 put into it's not just about the network

31:54 it's about what sits on top of the

31:55 network that's what matters at the end

31:57 of the day and that's what we need to

31:59 you know start putting our eye towards

32:02 and then we i start seeing you know 2023

32:05 2024 when now we're getting into dynamic

32:07 slicing even as was mentioned earlier

32:10 multiple slices per large enterprise

32:12 customer and it becomes really

32:14 interesting when you start mixing the

32:16 private and public network because i

32:19 didn't comment on it earlier but i truly

32:21 believe that this is going to be the

32:23 largest swath of this is probably going

32:25 to be hybrid where we've got private

32:27 network resources that need to be on

32:29 site for survivability and performance

32:31 reasons think control on a factory floor

32:34 think medical you know surgeries

32:37 you can't there is no room for error in

32:38 those cases but

32:40 customers walking onto those campuses

32:43 are still going to need to have public

32:44 network access right so understanding

32:47 that and separating those two accesses

32:49 via slicing i think is going to be a

32:51 really cool use case and that's going to

32:53 be

32:54 that's going to be what our future looks

32:55 like

32:56 pass it off to the rest of the panelists

32:58 yeah we've only got about three minutes

33:00 left so i think what i'll do is ask each

33:02 of you in in responding to the time

33:04 frame for what when we'll see network

33:06 slicing to also add your own comments

33:08 about what are the two or three most

33:10 important things you want everybody to

33:12 take away so anna why don't you go next

33:15 okay

33:16 troy was spot on when it comes to the

33:18 management automation orchestration of

33:20 the network it's going to be tough their

33:23 physical network functions their virtual

33:25 network functions their containerized

33:26 network functions some are on arm based

33:29 hardware some are on x86 we have a slew

33:32 of vendors from wind river to red hat to

33:35 vmware that are out there it's it's a

33:38 little bit messy so having the right

33:40 knobs in place to orchestrate a slice

33:42 end to end is going to be a little tough

33:45 and that's why maybe troy is saying

33:47 end of 20 22 early 23 which seems

33:50 accurate right and the other point is

33:52 that right now it's a push technology

33:54 right we're creating the slice we're

33:56 trying to make it fit into some um some

33:59 customer need but if it becomes a pull

34:02 technology if there's some value that

34:04 could be created if there's a business

34:05 justification behind it where customers

34:08 really need the slice i guarantee you

34:11 network operators vendors will work

34:12 twice as hard to getting this out the

34:14 door so that's going to be the the

34:16 science that we have to figure out

34:18 behind network sizing constantine how do

34:21 you see it

34:22 yes i i completely agree with uh what

34:25 was said and uh i think troy hit the key

34:28 notes here

34:30 um

34:31 i also believe that it's going to be 20

34:33 late 2023 before we see end to end

34:36 slicing in all of its glory and i

34:38 believe we'll see dynamic

34:40 network slicing a bit more optimistic on

34:43 that

34:44 the takeaway that i want to underscore

34:47 here is that network slicing is not just

34:49 about 5g or 4g or 6g

34:52 network slicing is going to affect

34:55 everything in the networking industry

34:57 okay it's fundamental new way of doing

35:00 networking um and uh we're going to work

35:04 before uh we run in 5g right so

35:08 um that's the first takeaway the other

35:11 is the oran right the oran is i call it

35:13 the operating system of the radio right

35:14 now it opens new capabilities we're

35:17 going to see smart radios uh introducing

35:21 new features in the radio if we unlock

35:24 the secret of how we bring that into the

35:27 end-to-end

35:28 sla and ecosystem i think we're going to

35:31 to see new use cases that um

35:35 will be really disruptive

35:37 in the industry

35:38 um

35:39 so franco we've got about one minute so

35:43 we need to be ver be curious and brief

35:45 but what are your key takeaways

35:48 yeah they make make uh key takeaways

35:50 very similar i think that 2023 is a year

35:53 in which we start to see something

35:54 serious intentional dynamic fundamental

35:57 network slicing as info vista we have

35:59 launched these nla the network life

36:01 cycle automation that exactly the design

36:04 and from the designing time to the

36:06 testing the monitoring to their uh the

36:08 optimization exactly to be sure that we

36:11 can provide the

36:13 monitoring the capability to ensure that

36:16 the operator will deliver the network's

36:17 license in a dynamic way as the customer

36:20 the respect

36:21 and ray you get the last word um

36:24 you seem to have a vision for how this

36:26 all comes together but there are a lot

36:27 of pieces

36:28 well 12 to 18 months sounds right to me

36:31 i would focus on anon's comment this is

36:33 more likely to be pulled by the

36:35 enterprise than pushed by the operators

36:37 i don't say that because the operators

36:39 don't get it i say it because the money

36:40 is in the poll

36:42 with a large enterprise on the other

36:44 side

36:44 everyone will line up around that and it

36:47 will happen almost overnight think about

36:50 how fast the iphone changed this world

36:51 from a 3g to a 4g world a large

36:55 enterprise use case will pull slicing

36:57 into this network

36:58 faster than you can say network slicing

37:02 it's probably years ago

37:04 great with that i have to bring this

37:06 wonderful session to a close uh thank

37:08 you all it's been a great session and

37:10 let's hope we all get together to debate

37:12 this again in the next few months

37:15 have a great day thanks very much the

37:17 sheriff's license 23

37:19 yes yes

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