Abraham Nejad, Publisher, The Network Media Group

Network Media Group Panel: Removing the Obstacles of Deploying ORAN

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The benefits of the cloudification of the RAN are clear.

The next step is removing the obstacles of deploying ORAN in disaggregated production networks, which is critical for 5G growth. Automation, network orchestration, 5G network slicing and a myriad of other considerations lend themselves to simplifying deployment for 4G, 5G and future generations of mobile technology. 

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You’ll learn

  • Where the panelists think ORAN is right now

  • What to expect in the next year for ORAN

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Abraham Nejad Headshot
Abraham Nejad
Publisher, The Network Media Group

Guest speakers

Constantine Polychronopoulos Headshot
Constantine Polychronopoulos
GVP 5G & Telco Cloud, Juniper Networks
Robert Soni Headshot
Robert Soni
VP RAN Technology, AT&T
Mehran Hadipour Headshot
Mehran Hadipour
VP of Business Development & Tech Alliances at Rakuten Symphony


0:00 foreign

0:06 [Music]

0:07 the benefits of clarification of the ran

0:09 are clear the next step is removing the

0:12 obstacles of deploying orange and a

0:14 disaggregated production Network which

0:16 is really critical for 5G growth

0:19 automation Network orchestration 5G

0:21 Network slicing and a myriad of other

0:23 considerations lend themselves to

0:25 simplifying cell site deployments that

0:28 for 4G 5G and future generations of

0:31 mobile technology joining this session

0:33 are Juniper Networks Constantine

0:35 polychronopolis he's group vice

0:37 president of 5G and Telco Cloud next is

0:40 at T's Robert Sony he's VP ran

0:43 technology and lassus meron hadipur he's

0:46 vice president of Business Development

0:48 and Tech alliances that at Rocket to the

0:51 symphony and gentlemen welcome

0:52 good to be here great to be here great

0:55 to be here great to have you uh great to

0:57 be here in Barcelona once again exactly

1:00 a year ago Constantine and I had the

1:02 pleasure of uh talking about Oran open

1:04 ran and all sort of the tangential

1:06 topics now we're here A year later we

1:08 want to see what is developed uh Rob if

1:10 you don't mind I'm going to start with

1:12 you certainly at t uh big proponent of

1:15 Oran and again those tangential uh

1:17 Technologies where do you see Oran right

1:19 now and really the adoption of orn

1:22 so I think that there are a lot of

1:24 successes that we can point to

1:26 um specifically that have come out of

1:27 the work that's been done by the Iran

1:30 Alliance over the last few years we see

1:32 you know major shift in product

1:34 definition and product direction from a

1:37 number of suppliers like Juniper for

1:39 example where they've invested heavily

1:40 in products that frankly wouldn't have

1:42 existed if Oren did not come to fruition

1:45 we now see products that are making open

1:48 front hall available so this for us we

1:51 look at really three or four major

1:52 success points open front hall now has

1:55 allowed us to disaggregate the network

1:56 to separate and choose best to breed on

1:59 radio versus baseband we also see that

2:02 there is now a new industry now being

2:04 created around service management and

2:05 orchestration with a lot of new players

2:08 out of um you know non-traditional

2:10 software backgrounds for Telco now

2:13 entering the business and providing

2:15 software that allows networks to scale

2:17 with great complexity so another success

2:21 point and of course massive Investments

2:23 by silicon providers out there who have

2:26 now developed silicon specifically

2:28 targeted for virtualized Rand Oran kind

2:31 of deployments so there's really a lot

2:34 of things that we can point to a success

2:35 and

2:36 um but you know and opportunities for us

2:38 as operators to now look at how we

2:40 deploy networks and what we can do with

2:42 them remember on last year or this time

2:45 last year you and I talked about o ran

2:47 and maybe what we would be talking about

2:48 a year later and here we are what are

2:50 some solutions over the past year that

2:52 you've come across for scaling Oran and

2:54 The Wider adoption of Oren

2:57 that's a great question I

2:58 a year ago people

3:00 were how real Oran is what is the actual

3:02 benefit of it why even do it what are

3:05 the cost saving coming from

3:07 but I think this is far beyond

3:10 the test

3:11 we have deployed you know 46 000 sites

3:15 acted radiating three over 300K radios

3:19 90 coverage in our my all open standard

3:24 run on clouds and a lot of things that

3:27 enabled that is beside the Run itself is

3:30 orchestration and automation end-to-end

3:32 provisioning from site planning all the

3:35 way to the to the deployment everything

3:38 has to be automated we've been able to

3:40 show that we can reduce the deployment

3:42 time of a run note by 80 percent

3:46 so this is the only way you achieve the

3:48 growth and post deployment the operation

3:51 Savings of 30 plus in terms of being

3:54 able to operate the network proves that

3:56 run an open run is really the way to go

3:59 I don't think there's a question anymore

4:01 of you know how real the run is and how

4:03 it should be deploying it we see a lot

4:05 more momentum Across The Operators

4:08 focusing on open run and in addition to

4:11 agility and TCO savings you're not

4:13 opening up an open platform for

4:15 continuous Improvement

4:17 additional capabilities

4:19 being able to deploy additional services

4:21 at the edge and so

4:23 Constantine again this time last year we

4:25 talked about the Rick in fact it was

4:26 with racketon it was a very interesting

4:28 conversation there were some I wouldn't

4:30 say debate but there was discussion

4:31 around where we would be again A year

4:33 later talking about Rick development so

4:35 where are we on that uh great progress

4:37 over the last year right and as a matter

4:39 of fact we did announce a strategic

4:41 partnership with Rakuten uh with our

4:45 Rick now powering the Sim world

4:48 um orange

4:50 democratizes the radio Access Network

4:53 um it's a paradigm shift in multiple

4:56 Dimensions right

4:58 and and the Rick is what I call the

5:00 operating system of the radio it opens

5:02 up basically the radio to software to

5:04 Innovation to software solutions that

5:07 allow us to address everything from uh

5:10 optimization new business and opening up

5:13 the possibility of offering new business

5:16 use cases or and you know deploying new

5:19 business use cases in a simplified way

5:22 in the radio monetizing the radio for

5:24 the first time uh but most importantly

5:27 deploying applications that address

5:29 everything from user experience to

5:31 Energy Efficiency

5:33 and dco as well total cost of ownership

5:37 right so it's it's really a paradigm

5:40 shift on the software you know being

5:42 able to to Really

5:44 re-architect the radio Access Network to

5:46 be software driven

5:49 um open

5:50 and uh molar dial more dynamically you

5:54 know managed so it's really a new era

5:57 and we feel very excited now the rig is

6:01 absolutely essential to realize some of

6:04 these use cases for example Network

6:06 slicing I feel very strongly about

6:08 Network slicing

6:09 um it's really probably the most

6:11 compelling way to monetize the radio

6:13 Access Network you cannot have Network

6:15 slicing without a rig because the rig is

6:18 what enables us to

6:21 dumana's user experience over the last

6:24 and most important mile which is over

6:26 the air right the rig is also uh what

6:30 gives you uh hooks into the way the

6:32 radio how how the spectrum is managed

6:35 across multiple users multiple use cases

6:38 Etc

6:40 um so an extremely important component

6:42 of the online architecture and we have

6:44 seen here at Mobile World Congress is

6:46 here we have seen tremendous progress on

6:49 adoption uh not necessarily commercial

6:52 yet but it's getting there slowly we

6:55 announced with Vodafone what I believe

6:58 is the industry's first uh announcement

7:01 of a successful field deployment of the

7:04 Rick of the Juniper rig with uh parallel

7:07 wireless radio and a number of

7:09 applications coming from Partners as

7:11 well as our own exops and our apps and

7:14 we concluded that at the end of last

7:16 year and we made an announcement with

7:18 Vodafone so that was a breakthrough

7:21 um next you know step is to see

7:24 commercial

7:25 you know deployment if not you know at

7:29 large at least limited and you know

7:32 leaders here in the space like robsony

7:35 right

7:36 um are Catalyst you know they have to

7:38 really push the envelope along with

7:39 vendors like Juniper to make it happen

7:42 faster

7:43 that's a very good segue into the next

7:44 question Rob uh can we ask you about

7:47 att's plans around Rick developments is

7:49 that a fair question yeah definitely I

7:51 mean I think what we can talk about

7:53 um pretty boldly or pretty broadly is

7:55 that you know at first they're two Ricks

7:57 um for us there is a non-real-time wreck

8:00 which is integrated into what we would

8:01 previously have called the OSS layer

8:04 um of our network but now is linked to

8:06 what we are calling service management

8:07 and orchestration layer of our Network

8:09 so the non-real-time wreck for us is

8:12 sort of table Stakes for

8:14 um what we will put in as a platform

8:17 that will enable third-party Innovation

8:19 as well as at T owned Innovation to run

8:21 applications that can manage the network

8:24 performance and also provide additional

8:26 exposure and visibility into the network

8:28 on a sort of longer time scale there's

8:32 also a lot of interest for us in

8:34 particular and we're doing trials with a

8:36 particular vendor right now a

8:37 large-scale trial on the near real-time

8:40 Rick we've talked somewhat publicly

8:41 about that and for the new real-time

8:43 Rick we're looking very carefully at use

8:45 cases that essentially allow us to more

8:47 intelligently manage traffic as well is

8:50 do Energy savings and provide some

8:52 insight again into the network in a

8:55 different way because with exposure to a

8:58 set of metrics that generally aren't

8:59 visible to us through this sort of

9:01 standard f-caps model where data comes

9:04 every few minutes or every 15 minutes we

9:06 now have visibility down to the

9:09 millisecond level potentially that we're

9:11 debating a lot about the scale point and

9:13 the right skill point for us to be able

9:14 to operate and consume that much data

9:16 but potentially just a significant

9:18 difference in just being able to consume

9:20 data that's available on the seconds

9:21 level as opposed to something that's

9:23 available on the minutes or hours level

9:25 so we see a lot of opportunities I think

9:27 you know around the further optimization

9:30 of network slicing especially Dynamic

9:32 Network slicing as it gets rolled out

9:34 into the network and policy management

9:37 around those slices there's opportunity

9:39 there so I think there's a lot of

9:40 different use cases the advantages is

9:42 that we no longer are limited based on

9:45 what we at T can deliver so we've had

9:48 platforms for years that were sort of

9:51 pre-oran-ish that supported this kind of

9:55 innovation but we largely had to develop

9:58 the applications ourselves and we didn't

10:00 necessarily have a well-published or

10:02 well agreed upon API and SDK that other

10:05 third-party developers could ultimately

10:06 build on so now we're really looking

10:08 forward to in this open world that will

10:10 be able to leverage what we can get from

10:12 the rest of the ecosystem

10:15 remember on anything to add before I

10:17 move on

10:18 you know I think uh

10:21 the whole concept of

10:25 post-deployment management of the

10:27 network and coverage infrastructure from

10:30 break all the way to things like Auto

10:33 healing Auto scaling operational

10:35 management the level of automation you

10:38 can deliver

10:39 is now enabled primary but having an

10:42 agile Cloud infrastructure that could

10:44 give you end-to-end monitoring of from

10:48 Hardware all the way up from So It Goes

10:52 you can do a lot of things on Automation

10:54 and optimization that you couldn't do

10:57 post Oran it it makes you far more

11:02 capable of managing how network is the

11:05 services are delivered how what are the

11:08 operations use cases of those Network

11:10 Services how much efficiency you can

11:12 deliver and so on so Rick is basically

11:15 the icing on the cake

11:17 um

11:19 go ahead did you say the Rick is the

11:20 icing of the cake

11:23 I I would call it you know the cake

11:26 between the layers of the cake I mean

11:28 it's

11:29 absolutely fundamental but I agree with

11:32 you

11:33 um you know the Rick

11:35 um you know going back to what uh Rob

11:37 said

11:38 uh we would love to see for example Rob

11:41 uh spoke about

11:44 um the ability to do SUB millisecond

11:47 level

11:48 modulation on the radio Access Network

11:51 right so how about if if we get to a

11:55 point where the operator

11:57 has the ability to manage how the

11:59 scheduler manages the Spectrum right

12:02 which is something that

12:04 um so far vendors have kept very close

12:08 it's a holy grail of you know the major

12:11 maps we're going to democratize that we

12:14 want to bring it up to the application

12:15 or at least have hooks into the

12:17 scheduler to build new intelligence to

12:20 enable and bring to bear AIML that will

12:23 allow us to bring new levels of

12:26 optimization right through closed loop

12:29 uh feedback you know close feedback loop

12:31 optimization so the sky is the limit as

12:35 to you know

12:37 the level of new efficiencies that Allen

12:40 can bring to bear as well as new

12:43 business models I believe eventually

12:45 where operators can start monetizing

12:48 either differentiated users you know

12:51 user experience uh private mobile

12:53 eventually through Cloud you know

12:55 through Network slicing there is

12:59 an awesome of new opportunities that

13:01 that I think in the next 10 years we

13:04 will see becoming reality eventually but

13:07 one step at a time and it's very

13:09 encouraging to see progress significant

13:11 progress in the acceptance of Warren the

13:15 adoption of Warren and finally operators

13:18 trying to dip their you know feet in the

13:21 water with Autumn deployment you know

13:23 starting slowly and hopefully

13:25 accelerating in the next couple of years

13:26 Constantine I want to stay with you and

13:28 then go down a line and maybe get some

13:30 comments

13:31 um as far as simplifying Oran deployment

13:33 and maybe optimizing total cost of

13:35 ownership that type of thing can you

13:37 walk us through maybe an example of that

13:38 so that people that are watching this

13:40 can get a concept of what that

13:41 simplification might look like

13:45 yeah so overall Horan eliminates a lot

13:50 of the Hardware close proprietary

13:52 appliances in the in the run right one

13:57 example concrete example I can refer to

13:59 the Juniper salesite router this is a

14:03 containerized cell site router which

14:05 eliminates an external uh box right from

14:09 the cell you know site uh that is fully

14:14 integrated on the platform that runs the

14:15 DU or the CU or both so it's managed

14:19 from a common management plane purely

14:23 software you know solution you can scale

14:26 it up you can scale it down uh you're

14:29 gonna do that with an external box you

14:30 have to plug in a real router configure

14:33 it with the video the box that runs the

14:35 you Etc so IT addresses a simplification

14:39 of a network architecture total cost of

14:42 ownership easier management right

14:45 um so

14:46 that's a concrete example overall Horan

14:50 you know the the shift towards Cloud

14:52 native

14:54 um Solutions leveraging kubernetes

14:57 the native Auto scaling that comes with

15:00 kubernetes software driven everything

15:03 enables us to to get to the point where

15:06 we can have intent based uh definition

15:08 of use cases and orchestration

15:11 which is really then go I think yeah and

15:15 Iran was the last bashing orange makes

15:19 that now

15:21 fair game for Innovation and software

15:24 driven Solutions Rob anything to add as

15:27 far as simplifying or Rand deployment

15:28 yeah I think you know we have been

15:30 looking very closely at this problem

15:32 um you know att's been building networks

15:34 for 147 years

15:36 um it's something we are very proudful

15:38 and prideful of uh so we understand what

15:41 the costs are associated with building

15:42 networks for a variety of different

15:43 deployments and we started on the

15:46 journey towards disaggregation and

15:47 virtualization on core and transport

15:50 more than 10 years ago our core now is

15:53 fully virtualized in significant

15:54 portions of our transport are now fully

15:56 virtualized so we understand quite well

15:58 we're the pros and cons of moving

16:00 forward with a disaggregated and

16:02 virtualized network will go of course

16:04 the benefit of having open interfaces is

16:06 really what we've understood is the true

16:08 benefit of of where you get ultimately

16:11 the cost benefit so as you open

16:13 interfaces that gives you the

16:14 opportunity to make choices and expand

16:17 your ecosystem and choose a hardware

16:19 provider a cast provider a network

16:21 function provider a network management

16:23 layer an independent fashion but it also

16:25 allows you to scale your network

16:26 management from systems which are

16:29 dependent or bespoke for each individual

16:31 vendor and do a common system that can

16:33 address the entire network all of this

16:35 ultimately drives down the total cost of

16:37 operating the network and for us here

16:39 the key is as we get past the sort of

16:41 sourcing question and Hardware

16:42 optimization question is we are looking

16:44 for how do we deal with the fact that we

16:46 now have a much more complex Network

16:47 than we did in the one on 1g2 g3g 4G era

16:51 5G has brought with it a lot of

16:54 capability but also a lot of complexity

16:56 and where teams are probably smaller the

16:59 operational side than they were in the

17:01 4G era or the 3G era and we continue to

17:03 have pressure to try to figure out how

17:05 to optimize the size of those teams

17:07 relatively amount of work that's present

17:08 for them so that's where we look forward

17:10 to the opportunities that are afforded

17:12 by essentially when you go forward with

17:14 open interfaces and with disaggregated

17:17 networks in terms of Automation and

17:18 orchestration and this is a theme that

17:20 I'm hearing all all the time now at

17:22 Mobile World Congress it's every talk we

17:24 go to Every vendor we meet to makes a

17:27 pitch about what can they do to automate

17:29 rather complex workflows and make them

17:31 simple remove hands from keyboard

17:33 basically yeah

17:35 never anything to add maybe simplifying

17:38 Oran deployment disaggregated production

17:40 networks and maybe even Cloud native

17:42 adoption being a precursor to doing that

17:44 you know I think this if you think about

17:46 what has been happening on the cloud

17:49 delivery and as a service delivery in

17:52 the Enterprise and Cloud side of things

17:53 so there's a lot of lessons learned

17:56 around simplification modernization and

17:58 the agility that enables not only faster

18:01 delivery of service but also how you

18:04 manage them

18:05 we think about what we deployed today in

18:08 the in the genome b side

18:10 in the number of components reduced to

18:12 two for example and they go up the stack

18:15 and everything that's cloudified and

18:17 containerized and modularized and open

18:20 interfaces and the fact that we can do

18:23 zero test provisioning from the point in

18:25 time that something shows up out of our

18:26 Edge and plugged in all the way to the

18:29 point that is running the service

18:30 without touch

18:32 this would not be possible without

18:35 gratification and containerization right

18:38 so the cloud is a major component of how

18:41 you achieve simplification and also

18:43 automation that you build on top of it

18:44 could allow you to

18:47 reduce the deployment time significantly

18:50 yeah we've done 80 reduction in

18:52 deployment and post deployment how you

18:55 do things and manage the network

18:57 coverage

18:58 scaling and hearing automation

19:00 protection all those things

19:04 talk not only requires simplification it

19:07 also operationalize simplification

19:10 obviously something that changes the way

19:12 you operate your network right you

19:14 you should not be deploying anything

19:16 manually everything has to be people

19:18 vision

19:19 automation is a key factor to achieving

19:23 simplification

19:25 uh again I want to go down the line on

19:27 this Constantine I'll start with you as

19:28 far as management and the orchestration

19:30 of the network and the challenges around

19:32 that again sitting here this time next

19:34 year where did what what topic should we

19:37 be talking about and what challenges do

19:38 you foresee over the next 12 months

19:40 so my my end goal is to to help our

19:46 partners and customers

19:48 to be able to stand up a complex use

19:51 case from the orchestration point of

19:53 view as complex as an mvno which is a

19:57 mobile virtual Network operator with all

20:01 the applications and I say stand up

20:04 orchestrate a planet scale mbno in a

20:07 couple of hours right without having and

20:10 I mean planet scale I mean you know

20:12 beyond the US you know go to you know

20:14 another continent expand your brand to

20:17 another continent without having to set

20:20 to ship boxes without having to uh set

20:23 up you know

20:24 micro sales Etc just uh strike a run

20:29 sharing deal commercial deal with a

20:31 local provider and leverage clouds

20:33 leverage you know on-prem uh you know

20:36 assets public clouds Etc and stand up a

20:40 use case so that's extreme automation

20:43 um eventually we'll get there as a

20:46 matter of fact hyperscalers have managed

20:47 to do that to some degree across their

20:50 own regions I think the technology is

20:53 maturing and noran is a catalyst in us

20:57 getting there and including the way we

21:00 manage the radio Access Network

21:04 pretty much in the same way we manage

21:07 Cloud assets to be able to bring extreme

21:12 automation intent-based uh provisioning

21:14 and deployment of resources physical

21:18 virtual and workloads in an intent-based

21:22 way

21:24 across any type of Geography okay at

21:27 scale I think

21:29 we're going to see

21:31 realization of that in the next year or

21:35 two

21:36 Rob do you uh sort of mirror those

21:38 sentiments

21:40 well I'm looking forward to coming here

21:42 again a year from now and you know

21:45 hopefully I'll get used to seeing so

21:47 many people again

21:48 um and I think we're uh going to be it's

21:51 gonna be a very busy year for us at ATT

21:53 um this year with the number of trial

21:55 activities and new programs we're

21:56 launching that are specifically around

21:59 um benefiting from what we're getting

22:01 from the Iran ecosystem whether it is uh

22:04 you know mix and match on radio or it is

22:06 new network management platforms or the

22:08 the ran itself and virtualization of

22:10 Iran as well as the red intelligent

22:12 controller trials that we're running

22:13 it's going to be a very busy year for us

22:15 so we really hopefully a year from now

22:18 we're going to be looking back on you

22:20 know fairly significant set of

22:21 understandings of what we think is

22:23 actually possible and in the art of

22:25 possible for migrating a Brownfield

22:27 Network forward to ohran and what

22:30 challenges come specifically with that

22:32 what I think we'll hear a lot more about

22:35 is now that we have this and it's sort

22:37 of table sake so this is the new

22:39 architecture that we've in invested in

22:41 for the future how to leverage that

22:43 architecture in a different way whether

22:45 it's with monetization or it's finally

22:47 with the expansion the usage of AI and

22:49 ml so I expect to see that you know as

22:52 sort of a big theme next year because

22:54 these platforms will now have reached

22:56 maturity and now be available and people

22:58 will really be looking to try to

22:59 leverage technologies that we're seeing

23:01 in other businesses for other use really

23:04 come directly and directly impact our

23:07 portfolio and our investment on anything

23:10 from Network management to even how we

23:13 Implement and deploy ran

23:15 certainly csps uh have a lot to look

23:19 forward to in this space but also have a

23:21 lot of challenges as well clearly so

23:23 where do you stand on that over the next

23:24 12 months yeah I think I was gonna gonna

23:27 Echo what I just had I think next year

23:29 let me be bought on saying that it will

23:32 be far beyond about far beyond

23:35 connectivity we're going to start

23:37 talking about delivering more than just

23:39 Network

23:40 virtual reality application as a service

23:44 operators would not have the tools to be

23:47 able to do a lot more for their end

23:49 customers Beyond just providing 5G I

23:52 think the infrastructure that's there is

23:54 open can adapt applications can deliver

23:56 applications as a service you can now

23:59 deploy a number of new things match for

24:01 faster in an agile way just like a cloud

24:04 and be an app provider for your

24:07 Enterprise customers or or deliver avvr

24:09 Solutions or digital twin Solutions or

24:12 4-H or smart city solutions all those

24:14 infrastructure built on top of Oran is

24:17 now gives you a a service delivery

24:20 mechanism that is adaptive can onboard

24:23 new Services can be used to monetize

24:26 those new services and now is not just

24:28 most far beyond our full of 10. 20 or

24:32 100

24:33 there's a lot more thing that operators

24:35 are going to be doing now next come next

24:38 as early as next year on delivering new

24:42 and modern services on top of the

24:43 infrastructure that is open and agile

24:47 the ran space open ran it's such an

24:49 exciting sector to talk about and

24:52 certainly to work in you folks work in

24:53 it I just talk about it

24:55 um but it's always nice to uh revisit it

24:57 uh more than once a year but in this in

24:59 this space here uh once a year and it's

25:01 good to hear hear from you guys and see

25:03 where the advancements are uh

25:04 Constantine I wanted to say thank you uh

25:06 to you first for participating thank you

25:09 that works uh on our sessions thank you

25:11 rob Sony the first time we've been doing

25:13 this yeah so we really appreciate your

25:15 time really meron thank you so much

25:16 thank you so much pleasure pleasure

25:18 pleasure thank you

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