Wes Purvis, Product Manager, Juniper Networks

Juniper Networks Wireless Access: New AP, RRM 6Ghz, Auto-Placement

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Availability of the 6 GHz band is the most important enhancement to Wi-Fi in the past decade. See how the new AP24 driven by Mist AI complements Juniper’s other Wi-Fi 6E access points. You’ll also learn about new Mist enhancements, including RRM powered by reinforcement learning, and auto placement and orientation.

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  • How the new AP24 driven by Mist AI complements Juniper’s other Wi-Fi 6E access points.

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Wes Purvis
Product Manager, Juniper Networks


0:09 so hello everyone I am Wes Purvis I'm product manager at mist and I'm going to

0:15 talk about Wi-Fi things during Mobility field day which I say every year so let's uh let's

0:22 just kind of go through where are we with with missed Wi-Fi um we're in the midst of our Wi-Fi 6E

0:28 you know generation and for us uh Wi-Fi 60 has been hugely successful it's it's

0:35 actually AP 45 is our is our top selling AP um and it's not it's not really even

0:40 close um you know comparing back to Wi-Fi sixth generation um I I think probably there's some you

0:47 know it's pretty it's it's easy for customers to adopt a new generation with mist you don't have to upgrade

0:54 um you know controller code or you can just deploy a new AP with keeping your your same APS you know as they are

1:00 so pretty much we see net new customers um almost exclusively choosing six gig

1:06 capable APS uh and and I would say about half are turning on six gig

1:13 um maybe half to two thirds right now um so some some choose to roll out uh A6

1:20 gig capable AP with without uh six gig and existing customers are beginning

1:25 their migration it takes you know and this is kind of coming up in uh uh as as

1:32 the refresh has come up um and opportunistically where they know they have capacity issues today uh and think

1:38 six gig can help uh we're we're looking at Wi-Fi seven Wi-Fi seven is is on the horizon for us

1:45 um but you know what what I tell what I tell our customers is six gig the six gigahertz band is the

1:52 biggest and most important thing in Wi-Fi in the past decade and probably will be for the next decade as well

1:57 right if you you know if you think about 11 AC 11 you know even 11n 11ax

2:05 the biggest Leap Forward is the six gigahertz band with the additional capacity uh potential that it brings

2:12 thank you so let's go through just you know if you don't know we today we have two uh six

2:19 gig AP models the AP 45 ap34 the 45 is our Flagship uh AP model that's the

2:25 Article Five gig it's four by four um you know we even it has our virtual blea array it has even like an

2:33 accelerometer or you know we've has added this because we found it helpful with location knowing the orientation of

2:39 the AP is it is it facing down is it on a wall is it facing up um just that simple actually helps our

2:46 location engine uh with you know with with more accurate uh location it actually helps with our

2:52 Auto placement which I'll which I'm going to talk a little bit about as well and today we have announced uh the ap24

2:59 so this is um uh completes our our indoor portfolio of Wi-Fi 6E APS so I happen to have one

3:08 with me and uh so it is our it is the smallest AP we've ever made outside of

3:15 our wall plate form factor but um it's it's the smallest AP we've made and uh

3:21 you know it uses our same bracket and you know it's just about uh you know as

3:27 small as we can make it without uh you know changing our bracket so uh we think

3:33 that this will be a really nice uh form factor and really nice AP for um you know for for cost-conscious

3:39 customers customers who uh may not care actually yeah okay um so

3:46 the the AP is a is tri-band capable but dual band concurrent so it that adds a interesting deployment mode where uh it

3:54 allows us to achieve a a lower price point um but there are many customers who may

3:59 not be ready for six gig or they may not need ubiquitous you know 2.4 coverage anymore and so this gives you the

4:06 flexibility of having a a dedicated five gig radio and a a switchable radio that can either

4:13 be in 2.4 mode or six gig mode and RRM will switch back and forth you know

4:18 based based on conditions but there's a huge frequency difference between 2.4

4:23 and 6 gigahertz how do you solve that problem antenna wise uh separate antennas

4:30 yes it's separate RF paths right so there's a little switch and switch between the paths there

4:37 do you have a separate antenna for each 2.45 n6 or five and six sharing the same

4:42 uh separate antennas for five and six as well okay and I'll just I'll just add uh

4:47 this is our most eco-friendly AP as well um the packaging a first for us is uh

4:52 made from 100 recyclable materials so this this is our our plan going forward

4:57 in new AP models but um you know if you buy a missed AP today it comes wrapped in a in a plastic bag

5:03 uh the bracket is is wrapped in plastic there's some uh screws and Hardware

5:09 that's also in plastic so I mean this this is actually this is the production

5:14 packaging um you know we have a little this this slide this goes between the AP and the

5:20 in the bracket the bracket you know comes with no packaging and our screw uh

5:25 bag is now a cardboard bag so uh we're proud of this and and this will kind of this will be you know for new AP APS

5:32 going forward this this is um you know how we plan to do our packaging and multi-pack options

5:38 uh no no multi-packs at this time um but uh the uh

5:44 the the eco-friendly packaging is there does the cardboard insert Nest together also have 10 of them have 10 of those

5:51 Hardware inserts sit on top of each other are they separate um you mean

5:56 you mean this yes uh yeah they can stack on each other okay that's a big one when unpacking like 100 of them and then

6:03 having to fill up a dumpster first okay and just uh this was a apparently a

6:09 controversial slide uh but this is uh you know just to kind of show AP 24 in

6:15 comparison to our AP portfolio is our smallest it's about seven inches by seven inches

6:20 um but if you're curious here it is if I could just add one thing right I think um I I don't want uh a point to be lost

6:28 one of the reasons our customers are able to migrate to Wi-Fi 60 fast is you

6:34 know whether it's a large co-located campus architecture or a distributed Enterprise architecture we don't have

6:40 this notion of I gotta upgrade my controllers I gotta upgrade my controller image right like we could

6:46 have our very first APA p41 next to an ap43 next to an AP 45 next to an AP 24

6:52 all in my network with no bearing on what the cloud is running right just a

6:58 fundamentally different approach to this so that you know that's why we're seeing just customers seamlessly migrate not

7:04 have to worry about you know the boat anchors that I have to carry with me in my journey right so speaking of that do

7:10 you see customers doing like maybe like a salt and pepper approach where like

7:16 they have an ap43 deployment that they're pretty happy with and they don't want to rip and replace all of them but

7:23 they're doing like oh I'm going to sprinkle this in AP 45s now to give us some six gigahertz so I would not

7:29 suggest doing a I'm going to put in a ap43 here AP 45 there but in in specific

7:35 areas so like a let's say you have a like a town hall meeting area that you that you want you know that's going to

7:42 be a you know capacity-ish capacity issue area so just in that area you could put 6K capable APS and then you

7:49 know the surrounding areas you keep your your Wi-Fi six APS so that that is happening

7:55 um or on like a you know building level kind of thing or floor level as well that's what we see

8:01 so coming back to the antenna question um what is the multi-use of mimo capabilities of the 24. uh the AP 24 as

8:10 a two by two AP could uh could do multi-user mimo to two one by one

8:15 stations okay two by two in each of the frequency band yes that's right great thank you okay so uh what we're not

8:23 announcing is an outdoor AP so let's talk about outdoor and six gigahertz so as you are probably aware there are

8:32 rules around outdoor usage of six gigahertz in much of the world um in in the US and the Americas and

8:39 that have adopted the 1200 megahertz um there is no outdoor at all yet in

8:44 Europe in the UK you can actually use outdoor but it's restricted to a like a

8:50 SRD short-range device type power level which is 25 milliwatts it's similar to

8:57 like the uni 3 power and 5 gig um but it's so it's it's a low low Transit

9:02 power even lower than like low power indoor mode of of six gig

9:07 so you know in in the US there will be this standard power mode and there's there's been a lot of discussions around

9:13 it and and some delays right so the FCC has taken a little bit of time in in terms of granting approvals of of the

9:21 AFC systems so there are now 12 or 13 I forget the exact numbers provisionally approved AFC providers

9:29 um who are going through their testing and we're expecting to see actual

9:35 um customer customer tests over the summer of of AFC and potentially

9:41 um you know with with potential um uh approval device approval AP approvals

9:47 um coming in as early as sq4 so that's kind of where we think we are from a

9:53 from a standard power AFC perspective but that's all subject to change and

9:59 kind of at the mercy of the FCC one thing I want to point out is uh many

10:04 people are probably aware of the geolocation requirements so of AFC so an

10:10 AP has to report its location and a confidence score you

10:15 know a confidence value of how confident am I that I am in you know 95 I'm in

10:20 this this area but the AP or device also must report its geolocation so that's geolocation is

10:28 is good for as long as the AP doesn't reboot if the AP loses power it must again like the the geolocation

10:34 credentials or coordinates that it provides are no longer valid so it has to have a fresh set of geolocation so

10:41 um or prove that it didn't move so it um you know as we're designing uh our AP

10:47 so our our indoor portfolio doesn't have a GPS receiver outdoor will so indoor if

10:53 we want to do standard power which we're thinking about what are the use cases so one use case is external antennas which

10:59 is which is an obvious one and beyond that we're not so sure of you know if if

11:05 there are actually you know real use cases for indoor standard power APS I'd

11:11 be curious you know if people start a discussion on who have deployed six gig do you feel that the low power indoor

11:17 Transit power is is adequate for your for your needs Troy shaking you said no

11:24 well don't we miss out on the whole directional antennas but so antennas external antennas aside right if a a

11:33 normal indoor AP six you know deployed in six gig with low power mode is that enough transfer

11:39 power for you if you're just looking at transmit power it's enough but the advantage six

11:44 gigahertz brings me is to provide extra capacity performance my customers which I initially want in those high density

11:51 environments where I want to use directional antennas sure so to me directional antennas is huge correct I

11:57 agreed agreed I'm I'm saying simply in a like the ap24 what I want to do standard

12:04 power on ap24 what does that actually get me and so for but yes for external antennas absolutely so that actually

12:12 before I go on so let me just talk about what we're planning from a from an AFC perspective

12:18 um it's going back but so there's two modes of operation AFC you can be a

12:24 um you know AP can talk directly to the provider or there can be a proxy in the middle being that all of our APS are

12:29 Cloud managed the Miss Cloud will act as a proxy for our for for our missed APS talking to the AFC operator will that

12:35 allow for redundancy on the AFC side so will you will the cloud talk to multiple AFC providers

12:41 um potentially like that's something we've thought about is do we actually care

12:47 about that well I guess it depends on the operating mode right does does it if it loses Communications to AFC like for

12:53 example in cbrs side if we lose communication to the SAS radio shut down yes does that happen on yeah

13:00 uh an AP must check in uh every 24 hours if it doesn't check in in that 24 hour

13:05 period 24 hour later it shuts off so it's 24 hours not I think on cbrs side

13:11 it's like two minutes so it's very very short so we have a bigger window but if it loses communication to AFC and that's

13:17 the radios down that would be a so if we're building a modular like a you know

13:22 platform independent uh implementation and the AFC interface is standards based

13:27 anyway um so we'll be able to interface with multiple and we're going to start with one and if if we need if we end up

13:33 needing multiple we'll we'll go down that so just your kind of differences between

13:39 low power standard power so in the US you have 1200 megahertz using all the all Four UNI bands in six gig where in

13:48 in the uh in standard power mode you have about 850 megahertz using UniFi uni

13:54 7. it requires using the AFC it allows you to have outdoor APS and weatherized

13:59 APS and external antennas so those are some of the benefits of standard power mode in low power mode in the US you

14:07 actually you're allowed to have antennas you know directional antennas but they must be integrated into the AP

14:15 and this was actually a little bit of a rule change from the FCC so you may know we have an AP 45e which in the US we're

14:22 capable of sending selling today with six gig disabled there's a rule change there we thought we would be able to

14:27 sell with you know plugging in plugging in your own antennas we're able to do that worldwide so actually everywhere except

14:34 for the US even in Canada and America's we're able to sell the AP 45e with 6 gig

14:40 enabled which is pretty cool there's a Transit power Advantage as well with um with standard power and

14:49 clients can use higher power as well which would be one potential benefit um now one risk is this client

14:56 connectivity requirement as a client whatever I am certified as so if I'm a

15:02 indoor client I can only connect to a low power indoor AP if I'm a I can I can be a dual client so

15:09 I can if I'm certified as dual I can talk to both so the problem is not many people have certified as ghoul today uh so some

15:17 will go back and do it I'm sure but many will not so you're you know your your Android phone from two years ago

15:22 probably is not going to go back and re-certify um as a dual client so you know they

15:29 would have to fall back to five gig in that case they wouldn't be able to talk to a standard power six gig AP unless so

15:35 there's an industry effort underway to kind of change the rule that just classifies like a mobile client to make

15:42 this not really an important thing but um today that's that's not the case so you have to follow these you know indoor

15:48 versus standard powered dual type of client okay so now let me move on to you know

15:54 some maybe some more exciting things so uh RRM

16:00 missed uh you know missed RRM we feel is um uh extremely robust and powerful and

16:06 uh you know I would put out there as the best RM in in the industry

16:12 um we've you know just in the past couple months we've done some extremely challenging environments we've uh we did

16:17 a um 80 80 000 uh attendee conference which was previously static channels

16:24 um they would do spend months on static channels uh they did 100 missed RM and super happy you know we walked around

16:30 trying to find problem areas and and couldn't um you know in in higher ed and you know

16:36 which can be yes Engineers can be very particular on their on their designs um are using RRM

16:42 so we feel very good um and we're kind of optimizing and we have this reinforcement model

16:48 where we look at our sle's we determine if there's a problem we're optimizing for the user experience and then we take

16:54 an action on it so we make some sort of change based on based on the data that we have and then the reward comes back

17:00 in we look at was that a good change or bad change so this has served us very well

17:06 um but it it as we have you know seen additional capabilities on the access

17:11 points like dual five gigahertz um uh or or you know other features

17:17 where there's more complexity here and we feel that we need to make an enhancement in terms of

17:24 looking um at the operating capabilities of the access points more holistically

17:30 so as an example if um if I'm having you know a poor user

17:36 experience due to capacity right this this can come in a couple different flavors it's do I have enough

17:42 APS so here's an actual example um of a uh I believe this was an

17:48 auditorium class comes in and there's so you know so many clients are coming on we actually classify it as

17:54 the insufficient capacity due to uh client count and there's just simply not

17:59 enough APS in this environment um you know this is 20 megahertz Channel

18:04 with you know it it's a good design they just need a couple additional APS whereas the second example is

18:12 there's capacity issues and we're classifying it as Wi-Fi interference and the apes are are configured as 40

18:17 megahertz on 5 gig the issue here is there's too many APS and not enough available channels because of 40

18:24 megahertz Channel bandwidth so the more appropriate configuration would be 20 megahertz

18:29 and today we don't do the you know an auto bandwidth selection and we've resisted it but I'll talk a little bit

18:35 about what what our plans are there so when you know as we go through this

18:40 we're trying to balance you know our how we're how we're configuring our Wi-Fi

18:46 networks so the balance is you want to maximize your your network performance by you know minimizing bad design and

18:54 and you know poor user experience and there's a couple different levers that you can pull to do that um you know from from an rrn perspective

19:01 of course we have to operate in you know in constraints of the design um but you know we we have some band

19:07 flexibility we can do wider channels narrower channels we can turn off radios we can you know lower Transit power and

19:13 those all have trade-offs so where we're headed with this is learning

19:18 um uh you know is making these more holistic optimizations based on learning the behavior in the site so here's a

19:26 couple of different you know examples that we've looked at of okay I want to know what is the five gigahertz usage

19:32 like what is the 2.4 usage like are there a lot of clients is this a high roaming site um do clients tend to dwell

19:38 High usage low usage and you know here's just different a couple different environments you know so you know a

19:44 robotics warehousing dormitories um you know Enterprise retail just just

19:49 different examples of the usage patterns that we see and so RRM actually looks at these metrics

19:56 um and to make um to make decisions now in addition to our um you know uh as

20:04 part of you know the reinforcement learning that we do but where this is where this helpful is helpful is now we

20:10 can decide are we going to optimize what are we going to optimize for so if I have a lot of 2.4 clients

20:16 I probably don't want to turn off my 2.4 radios as much right because I need that 2.4 I need to make sure I'm I'm

20:22 prioritizing 2.4 or I don't have any 2.4 so I can turn all those radios off for you know a decent chunk of them I don't

20:29 really care or roaming or capacity um and channel bandwidth so this is

20:35 particularly relevant because you know our default Channel bandwidth is 40 megahertz and in you know the full you

20:40 know saying is you know do the widest channels until you can so that works a lot well in a lot of environments some

20:46 environments it doesn't work well um and so you know part of this Improvement will be a a you know Auto

20:52 Channel bandwidth and we one approach that we've seen fail is kind of this AP level type of approach

20:59 where I'm making a decision on the AP level and you know with Channel width in particular clients tend to prefer wider

21:07 channels so they'll stick um so we'll we'll take a a more holistic approach of kind of a site level or at

21:13 least a contiguous RF area of of Channel width um and so this is particularly relevant

21:19 in like in the EU or UK where um you know there's only 500 megahertz of six

21:24 gig Spectrum so being able to decide between um you know 40s 20s 40s and 80s

21:31 um in in you know where you don't have as you don't have the full 1200 megahertz of spectrum like you do in the

21:37 US so I think this is it's it's really cool so if like here's here's some of like

21:43 the the decisions that have a direct impact on each other so if I want to lower my transfer power I can do that or

21:49 is it better to actually disable my radio uh if I disable my radio should I actually convert that into a different

21:55 band like should I do dual five gig okay if I do dual five should I've actually done wider channels instead so these all

22:02 have an impact on each other and this is you know we're calling this you know using this Behavior Uh monitoring to

22:10 kind of break the symbiotic relationships we have in Wi-Fi so we think this is going to be really really

22:16 cool this is kind of the biggest change since we introduced our AI driven RRM um you know over the past couple of

22:22 years so this is uh this is a big one for us if I can add a fine point to this

22:27 um our AI driven RRM today just game changing in the sense that literally we

22:32 tell people you could bring your ccies and set up your Cisco Network Etc on Aruba Network you know have at it

22:39 configure it to the very best with missed deploy and step away from the keyboard we you know you know in 80 000

22:47 you know attendee event completely with RM robotic facilities with RRM higher ed

22:52 with RRM you know lots of people have challenged us around that but but ultimately it's done really really well

22:58 so we're very proud of what we have today I think this is a step function in

23:04 terms of being able to bring more context and learning side Behavior Uh

23:09 super excited about it uh and you know already started to run Pilots around uh

23:14 the possibilities here so uh this is a big deal for us right yeah can I

23:20 challenge you a little bit on this because it sounds great but you know when we look at Wi-Fi six and going

23:27 forward what's really important in terms of my utilization of my radio resources

23:32 is how I schedule my resource units you know so fdma is also how do I apply my

23:38 antenna techniques with beam forming and things like that that's really where I have the potential

23:44 for a good performing Network high capacity Network so how does that fit

23:50 because that's really so that's what I'm saying yeah so there's a step before that okay right which is I need to have

23:57 I have tools on my network I need to have my network set up so that I can use those you know what those Wi-Fi 6

24:04 capabilities so like I have my AP 45 it can operate as a as a two four five and

24:12 six AP or I can have dual five so I can have five gig five gig and six gig right that that's the fundamental question so

24:18 should I which band should I be in should I do 20 megahertz versus 40 megahertz you have to answer those

24:24 questions before you can get to your your Wi-Fi six capabilities and that's

24:29 that's what this is trying to solve for okay I get it but I'm still not quite

24:34 convinced okay because you know the the dream when we get there is this user in

24:41 their RF environment will get this allocation of resources and this user

24:46 that's in a different RF environment get a different resource and if I've harmonized for the good of the whole

24:52 right then I've really lost the ability to then optimize my RF right like okay

24:59 you're saying maybe I have to be forced to a 20 megahertz band but in fact

25:05 um if I more effectively use my resource units and um reinforming your techniques I mean

25:11 they've been operated in a 40 megahertz band yeah I I get what you're saying the industry the technology is not there yet

25:16 yeah it's not there yet but okay fair enough whereas I see you have a disabled radios yeah I think today you only do

25:23 2.4 and future you're going to be doing you know disabled five gig we're too bad or something so there's there's there's

25:30 nothing technically stopping us from doing it today it's a choice that we've that we haven't done it

25:35 um it's it's something easy enough that we could we just haven't seen a use case for it so if there is a use case for it we would

25:41 yeah sure why not okay so I just have a few minutes left

25:47 and um I want to wrap up with uh Auto placement and auto orientation so this

25:52 is something that we talked about last year and I just want to provide an update of of where we are um because it's uh we're actually

25:59 testing this with customers now and and you know would be happy to have people uh test it so just as as a as a recap

26:06 um so we have um a capability to automatically place access points on a map and automatically

26:13 Orient them um so the auto placement uses 802.11mc

26:18 uh find time measurement the auto orientation uses our our virtual ble

26:24 antenna array and there's there's basically

26:29 um you know two use cases that I'll go through um but you know there's there's some

26:34 things in here where you know we do these measurements we we leverage just like with the vble we have

26:41 um machine learning to learn Pat you know the path loss of our of our devices

26:47 um uh we're doing that as well for determining line of sight versus non-line of sight which is a really important it turns out to be really

26:53 important in in this type of Technology so the two main use cases that we're

26:58 that we're solving for are like an audit type use case where I already have APS

27:04 on a map and I just want you to tell me are my EPS where where I think they are and then the second use case is I have a

27:11 new deployment and I want APS on a map place them for me um and so the things that we're trying

27:16 to optimize are you know the placement and orientation of the uh of the of the map of the aps the scale of the map

27:24 turns out to be really important so there's some things we can do to help with that and then you know we need to

27:30 determine line of sight versus an online site because that's important for uh the accuracy of the solution

27:36 so just to kind of um actually let me let me flip over so I have it just a

27:42 small demo site here just to kind of show the concept so there's five APS

27:47 on a on a map here and uh so

27:54 gotta move this to the zoom bar so I have my auto placement and or Auto

27:59 orientation buttons so I can I'm actually just going to hit start and so what this will do is it'll put the aps

28:06 into a FTM mode and they'll actually run FTM between these between these five APS

28:11 and so here's a little timer um but this is this is what we're

28:16 actually doing we're building a a mesh of access points uh if you will um this switches up but it's a

28:25 um so if you think about if I have five APS 10 APS 100 APS on a floor plan this can become you know quite complex quite

28:31 fast because we're actually running measurements between every pair of APs every pair combination so you can have

28:38 hundreds or thousands tens of thousands of measurements happening here and you know we perform the measurements

28:46 multiple times and it allows um essentially we just we build out this mesh

28:51 um and so this is what we see this is kind of the back end View um of a kind of a Brownfield approach or

28:58 you know where I already have APS on a floor plan um but just to kind of go through some

29:03 examples so here is a um you know some from from you know this is from customer

29:09 environments so here's a floor plan where um there's actually two misplaced APS so

29:16 it may be a little bit tough to tell but if you look at um the most of the aps have gray lines

29:22 but two of them have colorful lines one is blue one's mostly red so blue in this

29:27 case means that we are uh Under reporting the aps are Under reporting so the S the location estimate is under uh

29:35 where red means we're overestimating and so okay so we have those

29:40 measurements the system actually Flags these two APS as problematic and then we

29:45 present that to the user that these two APS are problematic and you should go look at those right so that's the AP

29:51 audit use case it's as simple as that like are the aps where you think they should be

29:57 um and we do some some extra things in here where you know we'll actually present a um

30:02 a you know a coverage area of you know where the the AP could potentially be

30:10 um here's a another you know larger more complex floor plan this is actually a grocery store

30:16 um 75 APS in this uh in this store because there's a lot of APs they have a

30:21 lot of freezer APS and chillers and this presents its own set of challenges so

30:26 one thing that we've learned is APS can be isolated uh where uh and that's the

30:33 whole point of showing this because so how do we deal with with APS that are isolated that we're unable to locate so

30:38 part of our workflow is to First tell you we can't locate these APS you should Place those

30:44 um or if we like we have like you know half a solution we're we'll ask you for

30:50 more information so one of the things that we've learned is there may be times where we need

30:56 additional information so let's just ask for it um so that's that's part of part of the solution here and you can

31:01 actually see there's some like these ones that don't have lines these are all isolated APS in uh in some freezers

31:09 so here's a here's an example um uh just of

31:15 a where two APS are actually misplaced so these two APS were actually swapped um the algorithm uh identified it now

31:23 this ux will change slightly today we're just swapping them on the map but we'll actually like very obviously flag these

31:29 as as misplaced APS so there'll actually be some status in here that's that's not currently in the UI

31:35 um but uh but it's coming very shortly okay um what about for access points I mean

31:41 that are I mean that's the office environment what about like with the warehouse environment or more of like an industrial environment something like

31:47 that um we'll we'll just kind of apply to that also and yeah so actually so uh the

31:53 challenge in a warehouse is typically it's external antennas where um the antennas are most likely pointed in a

31:59 particular direction oftentimes straight down so that limits the number of APs that I can talk to so we've done testing

32:06 in in Warehouse environments um uh and it works um I'm just not I'm

32:12 just not showing the data is that is that something that I guess I could test with my customers currently like if okay

32:20 uh so here's here's the I showed the that you know that floor plan where there's two APS are swapped here's where here's actually what it looks like you

32:26 know from our back end view um and then uh

32:32 I just want to show okay so here is okay so this finished Let me refresh

32:38 um I just want to show you know from from the algorithm from the live run what I actually did

32:44 um so this AP this picked up I misplaced AP right it's actually this AP is actually in the middle

32:50 um of these of these four APS in it and it identified that um so that's you know in a nutshell what

32:55 we're trying to do for the audit use case um for the for the Green Field or new

33:00 deployment use case um it's I don't have APS on a map uh please place them

33:06 um so today uh we'll ask you to actually associate the aps with the map you don't

33:11 place them but you associate um and then for this workflow we at some point need reference anchors so you can

33:19 either set them ahead of time which is what we've done here or and probably the preferred method is

33:27 what we've found is it's hard to identify one of the most optimal anchor APS so let us actually suggest them to

33:33 you so you can actually hit start we'll run our measurements and then we'll come back to you and

33:39 suggest what would be the the best anchor APS and then you can actually Place those and and recalculate you

33:46 don't need to rerun the FTM but we'll just recalculate the solution so a lot of us who deploy environments

33:53 like this are uploading are the design you know the output from our design software uh whatever whatever that may

33:59 be do you guys consider that to be green like if we I know so that's that's what I showed in the first right so if that's

34:05 all brown steel this is literally yeah you have nothing you have APS on a map already because you're ingesting a

34:10 design file right um so that's the audit use case right okay so this is just straight up no you may not even have a

34:17 you may you may not even know where they put them correct okay correct okay four minutes over time and I think

34:24 Studio said I could have five quick question what would the accuracy be so what we're seeing from an accuracy

34:30 perspective um our our goal is two meters um and we often see you know in the in the one to

34:35 two meter range um so where the challenges come in is uh

34:41 today we rely on scale on the floor plan so if the scale is incorrect that's problematic

34:46 um there's some things that we think we can do to help there um if in the uh in the Brownfield

34:52 approach um you know we we rely on the AP placement and and so you know we solve for that

34:58 but then also line of sight versus non-line of sight uh is is a challenge

35:03 as well so when you're in a non-line-icide environment I have more multi-path

35:09 and um and that can that can affect the the distance measurements so we have to

35:15 determine if we're line of sight versus nine line of sight and we have some machine learning techniques to determine

35:22 that um and so all those things combined every environment is different and we're certainly looking to test this in in

35:29 more environments um because it's really good learning for us um and you know we're ready in

35:34 customer environments but um you know in in the environments that we've tested and we typically see one to two meters

35:41 um but again in the think about that's Greenfield in the Brownfield we just need to audit are the aps you know is

35:48 the AP close you know or where you think where you think it is on the map so that the accuracy really only is important

35:55 for the for the Greenfield new deployment type approach uh but let me just 30 seconds summarize what the

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